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Bible Readings for Sunday, November 27th, 2011
– The Week of The First Sunday of Advent

*Click on each bible passage to expand the text.

Isaiah 64:1-9

Psalm 80:1-7, 17-19

1 Corinthians 1:3-9

Mark 13:24-37

  • All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. No one calls on your name or strives to lay hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us and made us waste away because of our sins. – Isaiah 64:6-7
  • Restore us, O Lord God Almighty; make your face shine upon us, that we may be saved. – Psalm 80:19
  • God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful. – 1 Corinthians 1:9
  • If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Be on watch!’” – Mark 13:36-37

The LORD is coming!

I think that from the day this passage in Mark (and its parallel in Matthew 24) was put to paper, the world suddenly had crazy street-preachers with the ubiquitous sandwich-boards reading, “The day of the Lord is NIGH! REPENT!”, or something of the like. The only problem with any of that is the fact that all of these excitable “you-all-gonna-die” types always neglect to ponder one, teeny-tiny little point contained within Mark 13:

Mark 13

32. “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

Not even Yeshua, the Word, the Son of God could know when he would return. How is a crazy-street-preacher gonna know??

Oh, yeah, and here’s the other part that we tend to skip over: it’s already happened. All of it. Every single point of Yeshua’s prophecy in Mark 13 has already come true, about 40 years or so after his death during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman army.

A Prophecy Fulfilled

“Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus (referring to the temple mount). “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

The temple was destroyed in 70 C.E. Nothing was left standing.

“Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.”

According to Wikipedia, there were 5 subsequent claimants to the title of “The Anointed”, or Messiah. Jona Lendering (@ Livius.org) has the number at a possible 9!

When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.”

During the time of Yeshua, the Roman Empire was in the midst of a period of relative peace, known as the Pax Romana. Yet in 66 C.E., the 1st Jewish Roman War began, and in one astounding year, 69 C.E., Rome saw the beginning of The 1st Roman Civil War, too, and the subsequent reigns and deaths of 4 Emperors in a single year after widespread revolt caused Nero to commit suicide. This was the violent upheaval which was a prelude to the destruction of Jerusalem a year later in 70 C.E at the hands of Emperor Vespasian’s son, Titus Flavius.

“There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”

The period between Yeshua’s prophecy and the destruction of Jerusalem was wrought with major earthquakes thoughout the Roman Empire, as well as quakes in Judea that were so violent that the hyperbolic historian Josephus (an eyewitness to the siege of Jerusalem) wrote, “…and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that was in an earthquake, (Wars 4.4.5), and concluded:

“These things were a manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that were coming.” (Wars 4.4.5)

The famines of the age are well documented in The Book of Acts:

Acts 11
27. During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. 28. One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.) 29. The disciples, each according to his ability, decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea.

“You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them…”

Shortly after Yeshua’s death, his disciples suffered a long and well documented period of persecutions, and even the violent deaths of Stephen, James, Peter, Phillip, Matthew and Paul all before the fall of Jerusalem.

“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

The “Abomination of Desolation” is a reference to the Book of Daniel, in which the temple is destroyed and ritual sacrifice will no longer be a part of Jewish life. In 379 C.E., St. Augustine viewed Luke 21:20 as a clear explanation of Yeshua’s prophecy:

“Luke, to show that the abomination spoken of by Daniel will take place when Jerusalem is captured, recalls these words of the Lord in the same context: When you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army, then know that the desolation thereof is at hand (xxi. 20). For Luke very clearly bears witness that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled when Jerusalem was overthrown.” – St. Augustine (vol. 6, p. 170)

Also, this note from Marvin Vincent:

“The reference here is probably to the occupation of the temple precincts by the idolatrous Romans under Titus, with their standards and ensigns. Josephus says that, after the burning of the temple the Romans brought their ensigns and set them over against the eastern gate, and there they offered sacrifices to them, and declared Titus, with acclamations, to be emperor.” – WORD STUDIES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT (pp. 154-155)

“But in those days, following that distress, ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’”

In the years encompassing the beginning of the 1st Roman Jewish War (66-73 C.E.), there were 18 partial-to-full solar eclipses worldwide, and two that swept right across the Mediterranean. To mark the beginning of the strife in Jerusalem, Haley’s comet ominously appeared on January 25th, 66 CE. By September 70 CE, the Romans controlled all of Jerusalem, including the temple. September happens to fall directly in the middle of the Perseids (August) and Orionids (October) meteor showers.

The Lord Has Come Already!

Christ is returned and alive among us, right now! No more predictions, no more prophecies, the Christ is alive and well in the hearts, hands and minds of every person living on this planet. God is just waiting for us to figure that out en masse and start living accordingly, as Christ lived, and loving as Christ loved.

Ages and Empires come and go, but Christ, the Logos, the Word of God is constant, returned and alive in every act of selflessness and Grace committed on this planet.

It is time for us to wake from our ignorance and stop waiting for something that has already come.

Mark 13

31. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

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Romans 5
"18. Therefore just as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man's act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all.
19. For just as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous."

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  1. AMEN AND HALLELUJAH I WAS JUST TELLING MY STEP DAUGHTER TODAY WHEN SHE WAS WORRYING ABOUT 2012 THAT NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR EXCEPT FOR OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN. THIS IS A TOTAL CONFIRMATION FOR ME THAT I TOLD HER THE RIGHT THING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS POST

  2. “…the Christ is alive and well in the hearts, hands and minds of every person living on this planet. God is just waiting for us to figure that out en masse and start living accordingly, as Christ lived, and loving as Christ loved.”

    Christ never strived for power. Christ never picked one nation over another. Christ never hated or devalued anyone. Christ had authority because of the Grace of God. Authority that came from obeying the Father.

    “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;”

    We are all unclean. How we love to overlook this point. No matter what we do, we are unclean. All of us are unclean. We all deserve the same fate. I say “I know” but I still judge. How dare I look upon another soul and determine that they are less worthy than I? I ask, yet I do. Those crossing the borders illegally (borders that are man made, by the way) are deemed unworthy, those who believe differently than I are deemed unworthy, those who are not “oriented” as I am are deemed unworthy.
    Let us love like Christ. Let us face death like the apostles.

  3. Praisehizname says:

    Trig,

    Wow…you would probably expect I have troubles with this and I do. Christ is here on this earth and has established his kingdom? I read the newspaper and know that this cannot be correct. Doesn’t it say right there in verse 26:

    “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory”

    Christs return will be very public, further cited in Revelations Chapter 1 verse 7:

    “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and ‘every eye will see him, even those who pierced him’; and all peoples on earth ‘will mourn because of him.’ So shall it be! Amen.”

    Matthew 24 is a more extensive writing of Christ’s discussion with his disciples on the subject. Verse 27 further provide evidence of a very public return:

    “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

    Matthew 24 also speaks of some other conditions of his return…verse 14 where Christ says:

    “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

    Do you think Christianity had reached the entire world by 40 AD? Not even close…I would say maybe in the last 50 years we have reached all peoples of the world with the story of Christ’s sacrifice for us.

    Other disciples talk of a very noticeable event, Peter in II Peter Chapter 3 verse 10:

    “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.”

    From II Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 16:

    “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. ”

    Trig, I really think you need to re-think this proclamation that Christ has already returned…that is false, and I say it with love my friend.

  4. Christ never left. On the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit descended upon the faithful. Jesus proclaimed to his followers that they are his hands and feet, that our bodies are the temples of God. The church is the fellowship of the faithful. To believe that Jesus left and has not yet returned is to believe that God is absent (Jesus and God are one). This is Deism. God is present now. The only difference between now and what Praisehizname is talking about is that the now allows for our own selfish wills to win out. When Jesus comes in His full glory, our wills will no longer be able to hold out against the love of God.
    When will this happen? It has already happened, and it has not yet happened. God is eternal, God does not live in the limits of time. For God, it has already happened, yet it has not happened. I don’t think I can ever wrap my mind around this concept, but I never stop trying.

    “It has already happened” – God is, and always has been, perfect.
    “It has not yet happened” – God exists in all of us, through the Holy Spirit. We are not yet made perfect. God is not the creation, but God is in the creation.

    I look toward the day that Praisehizname talks about. It will come, and it is the hope of all of mankind.

    • Praisehizname says:

      David,
      I respectfully disagree my friend. The last chapter of Mark cites Jesus ascension to heaven to sit at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19):

      “After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.”

      No one says God is absent. Jesus speaks numerous times of his advocate here on earth during his absense…the Holy Spirit (John 14:26):

      “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

      I don’t really get the mysticism of ” It has already happened, and it has not yet happened.”

      My numerous citings above to Trig prove that Christ’s return will be a literal event that the whole world will see. Can you cite something that says Christs return will be undercover..revealed only to some people such as yourself? I leave this with you my friend (Matthew 24:26-28):

      “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

      • I understand what you are saying. I do believe that Jesus will come again, in person, and there will be no doubt that it is Him when it happens. Meanwhile, Jesus is here in all of us through the Holy Spirit. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. One God in three persons.
        The mysticism that I refer to is simply to point out that God does not exist in the limits of time. God is eternal, no beginning, no end.
        As Tony Campolo says, “This is what I believe, but I may be wrong.”

  5. David and Praisehizname: You’re not getting Trig’s main point, which is that we ARE the Christ. That’s what Jesus meant when he told us, “All these things I do, you can do and more.” Many of us have not yet remembered Who We Are, although that tide is turning. many of us prefer to give our power away to some distant father figure, just as many of us do with the government and other so-called authorities. Our remembering and acceptance of our divine nature contains our “salvation.” There is no “us” and “Him.” It’s difficult to accept that we are utterly, completely responsible for ourselves and for the world we have created. Until we ALL remember the truth of our true nature, things will continue as they are.

    • Ummmm… wow. Yup, Amanda, that’s it exactly!

    • Praisehizname says:

      Amanda,

      “We are Christ?” I cannot find anywhere in the bible where we are put on an equal level to God. What I have foiund is that we are children of Christ..if we accept him (John 1:12-13):

      “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.”

      Is God not a far off figure in that he reigns from heaven? “Our father, who art in heaven comes to mind.” What power I do have comes from God alone..not myself. I am a filthy rag not worthy of his love, yet he grants me grace and has made me a new (yet still imperfect) creation.

      Finally, there will never be a time when “we all remember our true nature.” Christ is very clear that there are those that will reject him, who will be judged for it. You seem to imply that until man get’s his act together, God’s plan will not take place. God is not waiting on us, his plan is his own and will be met on his timetable…his return will be literal, and everyone will see it.

      • We are the hands and feet of Christ, but we are not the Christ. Jesus was the only creation to be both fully human and fully divine. We’re not divine, and we’re not even fully human (thanks to sin). What Jesus did he did through the power and grace of God. Jesus taught that this power comes from God and will work through us if we allow it. We can do even greater things than Christ simply because most of us will live longer lives and have greater opportunities than Jesus did.

        “I am a filthy rag not worthy of his love, yet he grants me grace and has made me a new (yet still imperfect) creation.”

        This sums it up, my brother. We are a new creation in Christ, and what a beautiful creation I see unfolding in the pages of this blog. Wish I could meet all of you in person. God bless each and every one of us.

        • David, I’m sorry that you view yourself as a “filthy rag.” How sad. You say you are a creation of God and a child of God. Why did God make a dirty rag? Why would God’s progeny be dirty rags? If you have children, do you view them that way?

          I don’t know my Bible, but I suspect that the quote “I am a filthy rag not worthy of his love, yet he grants me grace and has made me a new (yet still imperfect) creation” comes to us courtesy of intermediaries who had strong motivation to keep us suppressed, dumbed down, and obedient. After all, people who think they’re dirty rags not worthy of love are pretty easy to control, right? Look around you today and watch the same thing happening in religion and government at all levels.

          Rise up, my friend, and take back the power that you were born with. Or, continue arguing for your limitations. Either way, you’re creating your own reality.

          • Praisehizname says:

            Amanda,

            Do you fear being “controlled?” I do not consider myself controlled…although at times I am weak and under the influence of Satan and sin.

            You?

        • Oh, and about “sin”: my reading of that word is that is means “forgetting who you are”–forgetting your divine origins and throwing the gift of your life and spirit back in the face of God because you don’t want the tremendous responsibility that comes with it.

          • Praisehizname says:

            Amanda,

            Not sure where you get that definition of sin but Jesus tells this story in Luke 18:

            9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
            13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

            Which person who prayed in the parable above best describes you?

            • I get this a lot from people who can’t or won’t accept the truth of their divine nature. Most do not want the true freedom and tremendous responsibility that comes with such awareness. Hell, sometimes I don’t want it either. Sometimes I really wish I could just frickin’ enjoy American Idol and care about whether the Raiders win. But that would be sinful. My life is a gift, just as yours is. Why are YOU here, Praisehizname? Surely not to remind everyone how lowly and filthy and unlovable we all are. Your humility is false. True humility is in service to your own and others’ divine essence–to encourage, to appreciate, and to uplift.

              • Praisehizname says:

                Do you feel threatned by my refute of your opnion?

                If so, why?

                If you don’t mind me asking, where is your theory from. Is it in scripture? Or is it from man?

                • No, not threatened, just tired of people adamantly arguing for their perceived limitations.

                  My “theory” about the divine nature of humanity comes not from a book or man, but directly from my own soul’s communication with Source. There are many teachings, including those of Jesus, that “back me up,” as though that were necessary. Why do I need validation for something that I innately feel is true, however?

                  Anyway, much love to you on your journey.

              • Praisehizname says:

                Also, judge not lest ye be judged…

        • While I appreciate your humility, David, I fear that to devolve your true-self too far is to miss the whole point of why you’re here, alive on this earth, here and now:

          We are the christ (the anointed) now, in the world:

          Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. – 2 Cor 1:21-22

          We are like Yeshua and can do all what he did, and more:

          I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. – Jn 14:12

          We are even the “sons” of God in title:

          Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. – 1 John 3:2

          because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. – Romans 8:14-17

          So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir. – Galatians 4:7

          • I think I have lost sight of the discussion. My original point was to support the doctrine of grace, that we are nothing apart from God, that “i am” only by the grace of God. I deserve nothing, but I have everything by the grace of God. Phil Vischer (creator of Veggie Tales) says that since God is everything, to have God is to have everything, to not have God is to have nothing.
            I suppose you could argue that the power of God, the power that Jesus speaks of in John 14:12 is available to all who follow the will of God, for God’s power will only work through us if we are doing His will. To be in the will of God is to be fully human. Sin perverts our humanity and turns us away from the will of God, and thus his power. Jesus, the only human without sin, IS fully human.
            So…do we have the power of God when our will aligns with God’s or do we have the power of God simply because God gave it to us through Grace? I state that to do all the wonders of Christ and more requires our lives to be aligned with God’s will. Even then, the power that we yield is God’s, and only through the Grace of God do we yield it.

            • “I state that to do all the wonders of Christ and more requires our lives to be aligned with God’s will.” David, I couldn’t agree more! Thanks for responding despite your busy work/kid schedule. Hope the wife is home soon. :)

          • Praisehizname says:

            Trig,

            First I would say that to be “annointed” is akin to being “commisioned” to represent Christ. Still where does that say WE ARE CHRIST?

            I also ask you this since you come with a universalist point of view…do the verses you list above mean that ALL people are annointed? Assuming Adolf Hitler did not have a last minute repentence to the Lord…was he annointed, divine, or a son of God?

  6. I apologize if my thinking is a bit off this week, my wife is out of the country and with work and kid duty, I am a bit discombobulated.

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